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coffee_addict Member Posts: 3638 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004 coffee_addict Posts Only	Message 1 of 22 (187367) 02-21-2005 10:31 PM the Traditional Values Coalition. http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1659 quote: Parents who are thinking about taking their children to see "Shrek 2," may wish to consider the following: The movie features a male-to-female transgender (in transition) as an evil bartender. The character has five o'clock shadow, wears a dress and has female breasts. It is clear that he is a she-male. His voice is that of talk show host Larry King ... quote: An earlier scene in the movie features a wolf dressed in grandma's clothing and reading a book when Prince Charming encounters him. Later, one of the characters refers to the wolf's gender confusion. Ha ha ha ha. Replies to this message:   Message 2 by jar, posted 02-21-2005 10:42 PM   coffee_addict has responded   Message 5 by arachnophilia, posted 02-22-2005 6:10 AM   coffee_addict has not yet responded   Message 6 by ohnhai, posted 02-22-2005 6:49 AM   coffee_addict has not yet responded   Message 7 by CK, posted 02-22-2005 8:14 AM   coffee_addict has not yet responded   Message 8 by Dr Cresswell, posted 02-22-2005 8:25 AM   coffee_addict has not yet responded   Message 9 by pink sasquatch, posted 02-22-2005 12:37 PM   coffee_addict has not yet responded   Message 11 by Rand Al'Thor, posted 02-22-2005 9:03 PM   coffee_addict has responded   Message 17 by Cthulhu, posted 02-23-2005 11:04 AM   coffee_addict has not yet responded
jar Member Posts: 33436 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.9 jar Posts Only	You missed the bestpart of their report. Now let's see them explain this photo. LOL A classic candidate for "Caption this photo". ;) Aslan is not a Tame Lion This message is a reply to:   Message 1 by coffee_addict, posted 02-21-2005 10:31 PM   coffee_addict has responded
coffee_addict Member Posts: 3638 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004 coffee_addict Posts Only	Message 3 of 22 (187373) 02-21-2005 10:44 PM Reply to: Message 2 by jar 02-21-2005 10:42 PM Um... explanation please. Yes, I'm slow. This message is a reply to:   Message 2 by jar, posted 02-21-2005 10:42 PM   jar has responded Replies to this message:   Message 4 by jar, posted 02-21-2005 10:49 PM   coffee_addict has not yet responded
jar Member Posts: 33436 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.9 jar Posts Only	Go to your link and scroll to the bottom. That's the founder and director of The Traditional Values Coalition. Just not sure which is the Dom and which is the Sub. ;) Aslan is not a Tame Lion This message is a reply to:   Message 3 by coffee_addict, posted 02-21-2005 10:44 PM   coffee_addict has not yet responded
arachnophilia Member (Idle past 355 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004 arachnophilia Posts Only	wow. just wow. dude, we should totally get some she-males to send them hate mail. that would be awesome. something about how "they deserve parts in movies and representation as well" and about how they "won't go away just because their bodies don't your conception of morality" and how "god made" them "that way." This message is a reply to:   Message 1 by coffee_addict, posted 02-21-2005 10:31 PM   coffee_addict has not yet responded
ohnhai Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: 11-17-2004 ohnhai Posts Only	lack humour much? Jeez, These guys need to grow a funny bone. This message is a reply to:   Message 1 by coffee_addict, posted 02-21-2005 10:31 PM   coffee_addict has not yet responded
CK Member (Idle past 3139 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004 CK Posts Only	Lies in the first post! It's Jonathan Ross (BBC Presenter) who plays the ugly sister! ;) This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 22 February 2005 08:17 AM This message is a reply to:   Message 1 by coffee_addict, posted 02-21-2005 10:31 PM   coffee_addict has not yet responded Replies to this message:   Message 10 by MangyTiger, posted 02-22-2005 7:42 PM   CK has not yet responded
Dr Cresswell Inactive Member Dr Cresswell Posts Only	Shrek 2 joins Spongebob in coming out of the closet. :rolleyes: This message is a reply to:   Message 1 by coffee_addict, posted 02-21-2005 10:31 PM   coffee_addict has not yet responded
pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004 pink sasquatch Posts Only	the TransAgenda An earlier scene in the movie features a wolf dressed in grandma's clothing and reading a book when Prince Charming encounters him.

So "Little Red Riding Hood" is also off-limits for those with upright morality?

Though my favorite quote from the page is (emphasis mine):

First the Homosexual Agenda, and now the Transgender Agenda (TransAgenda for short?). Since it seems like everyone in mainstream society is now following these agendas, I sure wish I could get a copy of them...

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Message 10 of 22 (187589) 02-22-2005 7:42 PM

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I seem to remember seeing the same thing about the Flintstones and how the relationship between Fred and Barney was homosexual.

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Well, to the right wing conservatives, everything deemed homosexual behavior. I'm willing to bet that they will start attacking classic characters like Tom and Jerry and Batman. I mean, what kind of man wear leather tights?

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And what about Bugs Bunny?! Wasn't he always dressing up like a hot babe and kissing Elmer Fudd! This Transgender Agenda has been going on for decades, right in front of us. :D

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by Natalie Peek

Time away from usual social interactions has led me down a rabbit hole of nostalgia, trying to grasp at the small bits of dopamine that I can. Yearning for the oxytocin blast that childhood favorite movies give me, I rewatched a true classic of 3D animation: Shrek 2. So if you were looking for an article on “Shrek is Love, Shrek is Life,” this is not it. Sorry not sorry. This is an ode to a surprisingly affirming animation from Dreamworks. Shrek, and specifically Shrek 2, may be the most LGBTQ affirming movie from your childhood, and it’s worth a rewatch.

For just a moment, let’s set the scene: it’s 2004. If you’re in a college-age group now in 2020, you were between the ages of 3-6. Fears of not being cool in my comfy mid-rise knit capri pants were far from my brain (ah...memories). Computers were still a novelty in the elementary school computer lab, and they may have been colorful Apple desktops. Maybe you weren’t old enough to see the first Shrek movie, but Shrek 2 was freaking hilarious. Giggling at fart jokes, your parents laughing at the odd double-entendre that flew blissfully over your head, and a surprisingly satisfying medieval take on Hollywood.

The set-up is wonderful: Shrek parallels a children’s book by William Steig (yes the New Yorker cartoonist). It is a clear satire of Disney movies, creating a more desirable foil: the dragon is overcome not through brute strength and violence but through freedom. The princess knows karate, so she could save herself, but on a technicality and social learning, she believes that only a prince can get her out. And our main characters fall in love not despite their gross, green, ogre-ness but because of it. AND THE SOUNDTRACK! Remember when Smash Mouth was not the worst? If you want an analysis of the sound track, I promise you’re gonna love this video about its effective use of pop music. 

Shrek 2 does not cheapen the progressive lens of the first Shrek. And what really drove me to write this ode is its affirmation of queer characters. Disney and others often queer-code their villains. Think Ursula from The Little Mermaid, Scar in the Lion King, and many other villains that are detailed in this analysis on queer coded villiains.  Feminine men or masculine women are coded as evil. And I’m not here to analyze the negative effect and harm that is and could be caused by this, because (1) it deserves more than a paragraph (2) this article is about a hero, and that hero is Shrek. 

From the get-go in Shrek 2, Prince Charming, in search of Princess Fiona, stumbles across the Big Bad Wolf in grandma’s clothes. Throughout the course of the movie, the only person who talks negatively about “Wolfie” is our group of villains who calls them “that gender-confused wolf.”

I would even go so far as to say that by having The Fairy Godmother as the villain makes a stance that what she represents is bad: the need for societal ideals of a body type, and a “happily ever after” that only includes a societal idea of patriarchal, masculine man and a delicate, feminine woman.

Another marker that this is a queer-affirming movie? A group who called themselves the “Traditional Values Coalition” was mad at the equal and welcoming approach of the “Ugly Stepsister” (for real, 2005 was wild). Yes, in naming a trans character “ugly” has been called out as anti-trans. And I do not mean to negate that at all, portrayal of any trans person in such a stereotypical manner is extremely harmful. But her inclusion within the group of princesses in a PG-rated movie was certainly nothing I had seen at age 6, and there are threads on twitter talking about the positive impact Doris had on the perception of self for many young queer and trans folks.

Again, not only are the villains the ones making the anti-trans and anti-LGBTQ remarks, the active acceptance of characters  who are often queer-coded villains from Captain Hook to Doris makes Shrek 2 a surprisingly LGBTQ-affirming movie. All this to say, Shrek 2 is worth a rewatch with older eyes. It still stands as an affirming movie for me, and the soundtrack is still absolutely iconic. And is the Fairy Godmother’s cover of “Holding Out for A Hero” better than the original? 100%.

• Probably the biggest reason for his fear was due to the favor he owed the Fairy Godmother. Fiona was supposed to marry Prince Charming as repayment to her. But then he sees her married to someone else and knows what he's gonna get.
• Another one about Lillian being open-minded is that she fell in love with a frog, who are known to be slimy, warty swamp creatures much like ogres, and it was only after she kissed Harold that he turned human. So her trying to be accepting and understanding of Fiona's marriage makes perfect sense; that's how she herself met the love of her life!
• This can be seen even more during the ending. When Harold reverts back into a frog thanks to Fairy Godmother's magic hitting him, Lillian makes no attempt to kiss him and turn him back into a human. Why? For the same reason Fiona doesn't kiss Shrek to make the effects of the Happily Ever After potion permanent- she loves and accepts her husband for who he truly is (confirmed by the creators in the DVD commentary). D'awwww!

Harold: [trying to hop away] I'm sorry, Lillian. I just wish I could be the man you deserve.
Lillian: [stopping him] You're more that man today than you ever were- warts and all.

Big Bad Wolf

Big Bad Wolf, or just Wolfie, is a major character in Shrek, Shrek 2, Shrek the Third, and Shrek Forever After.

Appearances

The Big Bad Wolf is always seen wearing the clothes of Little Red Riding Hood's grandmother. Unlike his typical portrayal in fairytales, the Wolf is harmless and mild-mannered, and is on good terms with the Three Little Pigs.

Shrek

The Big Bad Wolf first appears among the many fairytale creatures exiled to Shrek's swamp by Lord Farquaad. Shrek discovers him lying in his bed and throws him out of his house. He is seen attending Shrek and Fiona's wedding and dances with a Duloc Guard. In Shrek's Karaoke Dance Party he sings Who Let The Dogs Out along with The Three Little Pigs.

Shrek 2

The Big Bad Wolf is found living in Fiona's tower by Prince Charming, who mistakes him for the princess. Wolfie corrects him and tells him that Fiona has already been rescued as is on her honeymoon, much to Charming's shock. While Shrek, Fiona, and Donkey stay in Far Far Away, Wolfie and other fairytale creatures watch over the swamp. They happen to see a broadcast of Shrek, Donkey and Puss in Boots getting arrested by guards while watching TV. The group go to the prison and help the trio escape. The Big Bad Wolf also helps Shrek defeat Fairy Godmother by blowing fierce, ferocious gust of wind at her, causing her to drop her wand. He is seen playing the guitar during the song Livin' la Vida Loca.

Shrek the Third

The Big Bad Wolf was at Fiona's baby shower and gave her a present. When Prince Charming and Captain Hook broke in, they demanded to know where Shrek was. Gingy refused to tell, and when confronted by Hook, his life flashed before his own eyes. Then Hook asked it to Pinocchio since he can't lie without his nose growing but he was twisting the truth and Bricks couldn't take it longer and told where Shrek was, with Wolfie only saying "Oh, Boy". The Big Bad Wolf was also at the big rescue scene in the end, where they fought the fairy tale villains and defeated Charming.

Shrek the Halls

The Wolf joins Christmas at Shrek's swamp. He is enjoying the festivities and is seen kicking Pinocchio at the end.

Shrek Forever After

When Shrek enters the alternate reality, Wolfie was Rumplestiltskin's Wig handler and he was wearing a maid outfit. He also had a brief appearance at the birthday party of the Ogre triplets, blowing up balloons but accidentally popping them when blowing too hard.

Deleted scenes show that originally, however, Big Bad Wolf would have joined several of the other fairytale creatures (Gingy, the Three Blind Mice, the Three Little Pigs, and Pinocchio) to ambush Shrek. After Pinocchio ties Shrek up with his puppet strings, Wolfie would have assisted by using his powerful breath to huff, puff, and blow the immobilized green hero into a drop in the floor, from where Pinocchio would kick the ogre down, landing him in a cart to be delivered to Rumpelstiltskin alongside Donkey and Puss. Director Mike Mitchell explained that this sequence was cut due to there already being too much story to tell within this act of the film and the fact that staff felt it was too dark to show Big Bad Wolf and the others being so mean to Shrek.

Scared Shrekless

Wolfie joins Shrek as he and the others travel to Duloc to tell scary stories. He doesn't stay for long and leaves both out of boredom and to look after the pigs, as the pigs were "his ride".

The Pig Who Cried Werewolf

It is revealed that the Big Bad Wolf under the light of the full moon turns into a Lady named Chef.

Swamp Talk

The Wolf was referenced several times in the series, having the most mentions compared to the other fairytale characters. His most prominent mention however was "Big Bad Wolf Retires?", where he was spotted going to a retirement home to get a new granny dress. This had been taking the wrong way, as the wolf had been planning another attack on a granddaughter.

Video Game Appearances

Shrek: Reekin' Havoc

Wolf appears as one of the bosses.

Shrek 2 (video game)

Big Bad Wolf is the best playable character in Shrek 2. He is playable in Prison Break, The Mines and Cookie, Cookie. His fighting style involves a mix of claw swipes and bites, and his special ability allows him to knock away enemies, activate machinery and blow out fires with a powerful gust of air.

In Prison Break, he helps Gingy, Lil' Red and Fairy break Shrek, Donkey and Puss out of prison. His Hero Time involves him climbing the "Staircase of Doom" to retrieve the keys to the three's cell.

In The Mines, he directs the party through the mines as part of a shortcut to make it back to Far Far Away, having been a "Big Bad Sherpa" during his "puppyhood". During the opening cutscene, he attempts to bite open a lock, but fails because it is cursed and is pushed aside by Shrek and Donkey.

In Cookie, Cookie, he helps protect Mongo by fighting off the knights and uses his breath to put out the fires around Far Far Away.

Shrek Super Slam

Big Bad Wolf is a unlockable playable character. Much like in the Shrek 2 video game, Big Bag Wolf fights with a series of claw swipes and blowing "huff n' puff" winds at his opponents. His Super Slam is a much stronger "huff n' puff" wind that hits multiple opponents at once. In game, he is referred to as "Huff N' Puff Wolf" when selected and wears a red night gown instead of the faded pink one from the films.

Shrek Smash and Crash Racing

He appears as the mount of Red Riding Hood.

Abilities

Big Bad Wolf, like in the Three Little Pigs fairy tale, is capable of blowing strong winds, an ability which he used against the Fairy Godmother in the second film and would have used in Shrek Forever After, as shown in a deleted scene. At least within the altered reality created from Shrek's contract with Rumpelstiltskin, it is shown that the force of the Wolfie's breath is powerful enough to push back even a defiant Shrek.

In The Pig Who Cried Werewolf, he is shown to transform into a different form under the full moon which is an unnerving woman named Chef. He is aware of this transformation and warns the Three Little Pigs to avoid him during the full moon.

Trivia

• The magazine he's reading in the Fiona's bed is called "Pork Illustrated". This is a parody of real life magazine Sports Illustrated, well known for their swimsuit cover models.
• Much like in the fairytale Little Red Riding Hood , Big Bad Wolf is disguised as her grandmother hoping to fool Little Red Riding Hood and eat her. He keeps granny's night gown on for most of his appearances in Shrek media.
  • Wolfie's wearing of traditional women's clothing has led to some confusion over his gender (something Fairy Godmother even acknowledges this in calling him a "gender-confused wolf" in Shrek 2).

Gallery

Shreks find Wolf in his bed

Wolf about to be thrown out by Shrek

Wolf in Fiona's bed

Wolf Dancing in Thriller Night

Big Bad Wolf on a wanted in the Shrek 2 PC game

Wolfie transforms into Chef under the full moon