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  • 08-24-2015, 07:06 PM#1

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    454 casull reduced loads

    Anyone have good light loads with boolits for 454?(preferably 250-260grs)


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  • 08-25-2015, 06:25 AM#4

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    I use 260 and 320 grain cast bullets with Unique for 1100 fps. Start in the Ruger and T/C section of 45 Colt data in your loading manuals and adjust as needed.


  • 08-25-2015, 06:32 AM#5

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    I use 250 gr cast bullets over 9 gr of unique for mild loads . . .

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  • 08-25-2015, 08:46 AM#6

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    Thanks. I've only been shooting 45 colt loads(in 454 brass)Anyone get good acuracy with 700x?


  • 08-25-2015, 09:16 AM#7

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    If you are looking at shooting mouse fart loads then 700x would work about as good as any. Using a 250-260 grain boolit, 6-7 grains would work well and shoot accurately enough for general plinking.


  • 08-25-2015, 02:36 PM#8

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    I shoot the RCBS 45-270SAA bullet over 14 grains of HS6, my 340 grain WFNPB LBT bullets over the same charge of HS6, or 21 grains of 2400. Brian Pearce did an article for Handloader Magazine on the 454 and he included some nice midrange loads.

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  • 08-25-2015, 06:01 PM#9

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  • 08-25-2015, 08:20 PM#10

    see if this helps http://www.reloadammo.com/454casull.htm myself i like 27.5gr of H110 under a 300gr boolit out of my Encore Attachment 147493
    thats at 100 yards

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  • 09-27-2015, 10:10 AM#11

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    Update: I,ve finally gotten a chronograph!
    6.6 x dupont 700x with a MBC 255gr swc, cci#400 sm. rifle (454 casull brass) gets me 780fps & an 8sd
    This is a nice target load.Stepping up to 7.1 grns got me to 800fps & a 12sd. This is slower than I expected in the 7.5 inch barrel! I suspect its because my powder is old, or does it have to do with the larger case?
    When I chrono'ed mouse fart loads in my 30-30 with this powder velocities were right where I expected(5.0 grns w/a 155grn LRN at 1020)
    I'm already a bit above max in the 45 colt (but figured I'm ok w/the 454 superredhawk). Guess I'll need to try another powder to get that bullet closer to 1000fps for hunting.( maybe 2400?)

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  • 09-27-2015, 10:26 AM#12

    2400 and also LilGun work good for 75% ~ 90% power in .45 Colt Ruger Only loads so it should work for 454.

    Just keep in mind to *never* download W296/H110.

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  • 09-27-2015, 10:28 AM#13

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    I would see if you can find some Unique or even Bluedot, something in that burn rate area if you are wanting 1,000 fps. 2400 powder underneith a 250 grainer running at 1000 fps with 454 Casull brass (small rifle primer) is going to leave you quite a bit of unburnt powder; it needs more pressure to burn well. However you will likely still have pretty decent accuracy. If using 2400 powder I would look toward 1,100 fps and things will come together nicely.


  • 09-27-2015, 10:52 AM#14

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    I was thinking of starting at 15 x 2400 and working my way up.
    (255gr lswc- which actually weigh closer to 260)


  • 09-27-2015, 11:30 AM#15

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by DougGuyView Post

    2400 and also LilGun work good for 75% ~ 90% power in .45 Colt Ruger Only loads so it should work for 454.

    Just keep in mind to *never* download W296/H110.

    That's good advice on the WW296/H110. Something to think about on Lil'Gun is that powder is harder to ignite than H110, so I would think it would be even worse to download than H110 relative to ignition.

    Bob Baker doesn't want Lil'Gun shot in the FA 454 as he says it damages the revolver. Might be for the FA but I've never heard of Lil'Gun causing any problems with other revolvers. It does generate a lot more barrel heat than other powders but I'm not sure that will cause a problem to most revolvers.

  • 09-27-2015, 02:26 PM#16

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by cosmoline oneView Post

    I was thinking of starting at 15 x 2400 and working my way up.
    (255gr lswc- which actually weigh closer to 260)

    15 grains of 2400 powder is too light of a load and will burn poorly. Considering 454 Casull brass, I would start at 18 grains then work up and figure you to be in the 950 fps-possibly 1000 fps area with a 260 grain boolit.

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  • 09-28-2015, 01:02 AM#18

    You might want to take a look at 4227 as well. It's a slow powder but I like it a lot. I've been using 22 grains in a 45 Colt case in a FA 83 (7.5" barrel) w/45 Colt cylinder and get 1,175 fps - it's very accurate. Unlike 296/H110 you can load 4227 down. The other nice thing about it is it fills the case pretty well. I haven't noticed it being position or temperature sensitive either.


  • 09-28-2015, 07:05 AM#19

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    I found accuracy with the LEE 320 to get noticeably better once velocity got to around 1,100 fps. Your guns may be different. I wouldn't bet on it though

  • 09-28-2015, 09:16 AM#20

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    I caution that I have ZERO experience with the 454 Casull, and don't expect to gain any. That said, I make A LOT of 38 Special and 44 Special +P-type loads for my 357 and 44 Magnums in magnum casings--950-1000 FPS--using the following formula......

    Herco powder.......use 38 Special max recipe +10% to equal Special ballistics, then slowly run the weight up until desired velocity is achieved. +12% to +15% is the usual route to 950-1000 FPS with standard weight SWCs in either caliber.

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    looking for a mild load for the 454 casull,something that wont beat up the gun shooting on a regular basis,any help
    thanks kirk

     

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    .45 Colt standard load; 255 LSWC, 8.5 gr. Unique. You could probably step it up 1/2 grain if using Casull brass.

     

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    I was going to recommend something similar - I'd probably bump the powder load up to 10.0 grains of Unique for a tad more power. I often shoot that load in my SA Rugers.

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    In the process of developing one myself. Since I have a fixed sight gun with a 4 5/8" barrel it has to print close to a full power load. I find 300 grain bullet (many to choose from) with 11 grains of Unique in a Casull case is a very nice combo. Tried it today at the range and got good results.
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    I recommend you check this out......Reduced Recoil Loads

    I e-mailed Hodgdon and they confirmed this formula would work in my .460 with jacketed bullets also if you don't want to use lead.

     

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    That is interesting. Trail Boss must really be fluffy if a 7mm Mag can only hold 25 grains of it.

     

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    That is interesting. Trail Boss must really be fluffy if a 7mm Mag can only hold 25 grains of it.

    It's so fluffy that a one pound can comes with only nine ounces of powder.

     

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    It's so fluffy that a one pound can comes with only nine ounces of powder.


    LOL.....I had never used TB before I tried it for reduced loads in my .460. After getting confirmation from Hodgdon that it would work in the .460 with jacketed bullets I went to my local gun shop and asked for a pound. The clerk comes back with two cans. I said "no, I just wanted ONE pound." He chuckled and pointed to the weight on the jug. Told me "I knew what you wanted, but I do this to everybody that ask for a POUND of TB". Still........by the pound, it ain't anymore expensive as any other powder

     

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    thanks for all your help but forgot to say that the bullets i have are 265gr and 300 gr lswc
    thanks kirk

     

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    Shouldn't make much difference. 8 1/2 gr. of Unique under a 300 gr SWC isn't going to tax a Casull revolver much.

     

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    "looking for a mild load for the 454 casull,something that wont beat up the gun shooting on a regular basis,any help
    thanks kirk"


    I expect you will wear out before the load in the .454 Casull will wear the gun out.

     

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    Hell, I shoot 9g Unique under a 255g RNFP in my 25-7. Your Casull can shoot anything between full power and .45 colt.

    Your POI is going to be all over the place, but knowing that ahead of time, you can adjust the sights for a lower power load.

    Only advice I'd offer is to use Casull cases to avoid the carbon ring in the cylinders from a shorter Colt case.





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    FREEDOM ARMS LOADING DATA:

    LOADING RECOMMENDATIONS

    FOR REVOLVERS MANUFACTURED BY FREEDOM ARMS CHAMBERED
    FOR 454 CASULL ONLY!

    WARNING:
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    BALLISTICS’ COMPARISON CHART. FOR REFERENCE ONLY!

    CALIBER
    TRAJECTORY
    BULLET
    SPECS.
    MUZZLE
    VELOCITY
    MUZZLE
    ENERGY
    MID RNG
    100 YD’S
    357 MAGNUM158 JHP1235 F.P.S.535 FT-LBS.3.5″
    44 MAGNUM240 JHP1180 F.P.S.741 FT-LBS.3.7″
    45 LONG COLT255LRN860 F.P.S.420 FT-LBS.6.1″
    454 CASULL240 JHP1875 F.P.S.1884 FT-LBS.1.3″

    LOADING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REVOLVERS MANUFACURED BY FREEDOM ARMS CHAMBERED FOR 454 CASULL ONLY!
    ALL VELOCITIES ARE FOR : 7.5″ PRESSURE BARREL.*
    BULLET DIAMETERS ARE : .451 / .452
    PRIMER SIZE : SMALL RIFLE REM. # 7 1/2
    CASE TRIM LENGTH : 1.380″
    MAXIMUM CASE LENGTH : 1.385″
    MAXIMUM O.A.L. LENGTH: 1.765″

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    Data work up done in a Standard Receiver Pressure Barrel unless otherwise noted. Revolver velocities will be different depending on barrel length.
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    STARTING LOADSMAXIMUM RECOMMENDED LOADS
    BULLETMUZZLE POWDERWT.IN GRAINSMUZZLE VELOCITYC.U.P.WT.IN GRAINSMUZZLE VELOCITYC.U.P.
    FREEDOM ARMS
    FA240JHPH422729.0142133,80034.0181541,400
    FA240JHPH11036.0188944,70039.0209054,100
    +FA240JHPH11036.0188944,700
    FA240JHPHS719.0135238,40025.5174650,100
    FA240JHP HS617.0127734,60021.5164144,600
    FA240JHPHP389.085226,60013.5142138,400
    FA240JHPW29636.0187545,20038.0200453,400
    FA240JHPW57119.0139538,80025.5174050,600
    FA240JHPW54017.0127434,60021.5162944,200
    FA240JHPW2319.084425,20013.5139937,600
    FA240JHP240026.0163938,00030.0188653,700
    FA240JHPBLUE DOT21.0158837,40025.0189655,100
    FA240JHPUNIQUE14.0136733,90016.5158049,700
    FA240JHPBULLSEYE7.084215,70011.0133432,300
    FA240JHPA.A. NO. 923.5143921,500+33.8187556,800
    FA240JHPA.A. 168034.0134917,10038.0176946,500
    FA240JHPN35013.0128025,00017.2156448,660
    FA240JHPN11027.0165527,00031.0187748,040

    STARTING LOADSMAXIMUM RECOMMENDED LOADS
    BULLETMUZZLE
    POWDER
    WT.IN
    GRAINS
    MUZZLE
    VELOCITY
    C.U.P.WT.IN
    GRAINS
    MUZZLE
    VELOCITY
    C.U.P.
    FREEDOM ARMS
    FA260JFPH422728.0130934,00033.0175946,000
    FA260JFPH11034.0179044,60037.0200553,800
    +FA260JFPH11035.01825
    FA260JFPHS717.0122836,00024.0170151,700
    FA260JFPHS616.0118133,80020.5156244,200
    FA260JFPHP388.581127,70012.5124836,600
    FA260JFPW29634.0178944,400 37.0 1977 53,100
    FA260JFP W571 17.0 1234 36,000 24.0 1689 51,400
    FA260JFP W540 16.0 1188 34,000 20.0 1522 43,400
    FA260JFP W231 8.5 815 27,400 12.5 1244 36,700
    FA260JFP 2400 25.0 1538 35,000 29.0 1780 51,800
    FA260JFP BLUE DOT 18.0 1429 38,800 22.0 1704 53,700
    FA260JFP UNIQUE 12.0 1220 33,600 15.0 1452 46,600
    FA260JFP BULLSEYE 7.0 829 16,100 11.0 1302 34,100
    FA260JFP A.A NO. 9 22.5 1433 25,000 +32.0 1800 57,800
    FA260JFP A.A 1680 34.0 1376 18,600 38.5 1780 50,800
    FA260JFP N110 26.0 1575 25,300 30.4 1816 48,820

    STARTING LOADSMAXIMUM RECOMMENDED LOADS
    BULLETMUZZLE
    POWDER
    WT.IN
    GRAINS
    MUZZLE
    VELOCITY
    C.U.P.WT.IN
    GRAINS
    MUZZLE
    VELOCITY
    C.U.P.
    FREEDOM ARMS
    FA300JFP H4227 27.0 1494 41,400 30.0 1634 53,700
    FA300JFP H110 28.5 1589 44,400 31.5 1780 55,000
    +FA300JFP H110 31.0 1625
    FA300JFP HS7 16.0 1111 33,400 22.0 1501 50,200
    FA300JFP HS615.0 1084 31,100 19.0 1450 46,200
    FA300JFP HP38 8.5 820 32,000 11.5 1076 43,200
    FA300JFP W296 28.0 1537 41,000 31.0 1750 54,800
    FA300JFP W571 16.0 1107 33,000 22.0 1494 50,700
    FA300JFP W540 15.0 1100 32,600 19.0 1440 46,000
    FA300JFP W231 8.5 824 31,800 11.5 1062 42,400
    FA300JFP 2400 24.0 1461 42,000 27.0 1656 55,000
    FA300JFP BLUE DOT 16.0 1240 39,100 19.0 1534 54,000
    FA300JFP UNIQUE 10.0 1049 30,600 14.0 1275 38,600
    FA300JFPBULLSEYE6.580420,100 9.5 1026 33,400
    FA300JFP A.A. NO. 9 20.0 1177 17,100 +27.5 1625 51,900
    FA300JFP A.A. 1680 31.1 1346 27,300 34.5 1622 54,500
    FA300JFP N110 24.0 1505 34,50026.6163449,380
    FA300JFPN12027.0129029,30031.0149143,760

    + Factory Equivalent loads. Testing done in 7 1/2″ Revolver & 7 1/2″ Pressure barrel where indicated.

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    Magnum primers perform more reliably at temperatures below zero degrees F.. Magnum primers will most often give more uniform velocities in magnum pistol loads using slow powders, and heavy bullets. More importantly the heavier construction of the primer cup prevents metal flow back, and provides a more positive ignition. Remember to always seat the primer below the case head to prevent recoil from firing the cartridge while not aligned with the barrel.

    TIP #2: An important SAFETY FACT to remember:
    When loading slow burning ball powders in reduced loads, NEVER load cases below 90% of capacity. Powders like H110 or W296 are prime examples of this condition. The reduced loads are harder to ignite by the primer, and sometimes NEVER ignite at all. This creates a DANGEROUS condition. What happens next, is that after the gun is fired and no report is heard, the primer pushes the bullet part way into the barrel. Another round is rotated into position after the first round. When the firearm is fired again with the barrel obstructed by the first round’s bullet, damage to the firearm and injury to the user generally results.

    TIP #3: Reloading dies?
    The use of dies other than specified for the 454 CASULL IS NOT RECOMMENDED! Reloading dies manufactured for the 454 CASULL have different internal dimensions than 45 Long Colt dies. The two main differences are: 1.> The crimp die is different than the standard crimp die in a way that allows a tapered roll crimp to retain the heavier bullets at the higher velocities. 2.> The sizing die is smaller in diameter to help in the retention of the heavier bullets. Also the longer length allows full length sizing of the longer 454 case.

    NOTE: ALWAYS DO THE BULLET SEATING AND CRIMPING IN TWO STEPS. THIS REDUCES THE CHANCE OF THE CASE SIDE WALLS COLLAPSING WHEN APPLYING THE HEAVY CRIMPS

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    ALSO ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACT IS, THE FASTER THE VELOCITY AND THE SOFTER THE BULLET, THE QUICKER THE FORCING CONE AREA IN THE BARREL WILL WEAR OUT.
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    Huh...?

    Old Savage wrote:I am thinking maybe 1000 to 1100 fps. Most data is full out on this cartridge. I am thinking something in the neighborhood of 20 Gr of 2400 with a jacketed bullet 250 - 300 gr. Has anyone loaded these. Want to use the 454 brass to avoid the chamber ringing that might go with 45 Colt brass.

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    • Start 300 Speer UCSP Alliant 2400 22.0 gr1209 fps
      Max 300 Speer UCSP Alliant 2400 24.0gr 1325 fps
    The loads I found are just a tad 'warmer', but pretty close, and I know Old Savageis talking about a pistol load and me a carbine load, but we're both thinking how to load something in the ".45 Colt +P+" realm using a .454 Casull case; maybe a ".454 Casull -P" :wink:. I'm not much of a powder expert, but would probably have looked at 2400 as well, for similar reasons - for me, at least, it has proven a decent powder for reasonably 'warm' .44 Mag and 'Ruger Only' .45 Colt "+P" loads, even though not supposedly great for moderate or light loads in those cartridges. Although we're talking about a 'light' .454 Casull load, since that round operates in the 60k PSI range normally, a 'light' .454 load would be close to a .45 Colt +P or +P+, so it seems like since the cartridge cases are pretty similar in configuration, 2400 couldbe a good starting point.

    There are lots of other powders (like SR-4759 ?) I read of people using when they want reduced loads for rounds like .444 Marlin, but I thought they were looking at way less PSI than Old Savage and I are talking about with the .454 Casull '.45 Colt +P' level loads.

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    Anybody have any suggestions for some mild .454 Casull loads that are in the 30,000 psi range? I basically want to duplicate stout .45 Colt loads in the longer case.



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    Sorry, I should have specified. I want to handload them.


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    Increase your stout 45 colt by about 10% using 454 Casull brass....

    example 21gr 2400, 270 cast, 45 colt brass, 1200 fps...

    23gr 2400, 270 cast, 454 Casull brass, 1200 fps....

    5" barrel...


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    I do this for my 41 mag and for the 327.

    Pick out the 45 LC load you like and load it into your 454 brass. Then seat the bullet to the SAME COAL as the 45LC load you are duplicating.

    With most of these loads, I get lucky and can roll crimp just over the ogive of the bullet. On a few loads in the 327, the bullet is actually seated deeper than that. But the cartridge nor the revolver care about that.

    The round shoots just like it was loaded in 32 H&R or 41 Special brass. And I do not dirty the front of the chamber with short brass.



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    I've often wondered about doing a deep seat like that. How is case mouth life with the extra crimping that is required?


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    Thanks for the 10% tip, Molly.


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    I've often wondered about doing a deep seat like that. How is case mouth life with the extra crimping that is required?



    I do not crimp any harder than with a bullet seated to standard length. Just a bit of a roll crimp.

    In my case, at least, these are light loads and are not difficult to keep the bullet in place. even when fired from the lightweight Titanium Tracker.

    I do not take any credit for developing this method of building reduced loads. Our esteemed Dr Howell has described doing so in a couple of posts several years ago. It does seem that I am one of very few here to make use of his advice in this matter.

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    4227 gives good velocity with mild recoil. I have a great load using 4227 and 225 grain Barnes for my Casull. Not home now and can't recall the powder charge by memory, but I'd get a pound of 4227 if you don't have one and start working up loads.



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    I've often wondered about doing a deep seat like that. How is case mouth life with the extra crimping that is required?



    I do not crimp any harder than with a bullet seated to standard length. Just a bit of a roll crimp.

    In my case, at least, these are light loads and are not difficult to keep the bullet in place. even when fired from the lightweight Titanium Tracker.

    I do not take any credit for developing this method of building reduced loads. Our esteemed Dr Howell has described doing so in a couple of posts several years ago. It does seem that I am one of very few here to make use of his advice in this matter.

    41 mag 210 gr .... 1200 fps on the left w/ SR4756 vs 700 fps w/ Universal on the right

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    I like that!


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    4227 gives good velocity with mild recoil. I have a great load using 4227 and 225 grain Barnes for my Casull. Not home now and can't recall the powder charge by memory, but I'd get a pound of 4227 if you don't have one and start working up loads.



    Thanks. I'll look into that. I'm not concerned about the recoil. The muzzle blast is what I'm trying to bring down. My .44 and .454 are just to loud to spot and stalk hunt with. I know you should "always" wear hearing protection but when I'm creeping through the woods I want to be able to hear everything and if I happen to run up on a buck I don't want to stop and put in ear plugs. The pressure range of stout 45 Colt loads is right under that ear ringing threshold for me. It's more of a deep boom, like a shotgun, an I can tolerate a couple shots without plugs if need be.

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    I've often wondered about doing a deep seat like that. How is case mouth life with the extra crimping that is required?



    I do not crimp any harder than with a bullet seated to standard length. Just a bit of a roll crimp.

    In my case, at least, these are light loads and are not difficult to keep the bullet in place. even when fired from the lightweight Titanium Tracker.

    I do not take any credit for developing this method of building reduced loads. Our esteemed Dr Howell has described doing so in a couple of posts several years ago. It does seem that I am one of very few here to make use of his advice in this matter.

    41 mag 210 gr .... 1200 fps on the left w/ SR4756 vs 700 fps w/ Universal on the right

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    I like that!



    So do I. I have plenty of 454 brass and this seems to be a way of duplicating the Colt loads without the 10% extra powder. The photo really helps explain the concept.

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    Here is another photo showing minimum recoil loads for the 41, a 165 gr cast loaded to 650 fps with Universal for the kids to shoot.

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    These 41 loads are actually more akin to wildcat work since the load manuals do not show 41 Special spec loads.

    But I do the exact same thing with the 327 by loading to 32 H&R specs and length with a 100 gr bullet, or to 32 S&W with a 78 gr Lasercast.

    With a 357, 44 mag or 454 the concept is quite simplified as you have abundant 38 special, 44 special, or 45 LC data to work from.


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    4227 gives good velocity with mild recoil. I have a great load using 4227 and 225 grain Barnes for my Casull. Not home now and can't recall the powder charge by memory, but I'd get a pound of 4227 if you don't have one and start working up loads.



    Thanks. I'll look into that. I'm not concerned about the recoil. The muzzle blast is what I'm trying to bring down. My .44 and .454 are just to loud to spot and stalk hunt with. I know you should "always" wear hearing protection but when I'm creeping through the woods I want to be able to hear everything and if I happen to run up on a buck I don't want to stop and put in ear plugs.
    Wear a pair of Peltor Tac-6 muffs and you can then forget about everything else..

    AND - you'll actually hear MORE than you did before..


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    Actual load data - 260-grain FA TCGC bullet over 14.0 of Unique (yes I know its dirty) chronograph at 1335. I fired these today. No idea of pressure.


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    I second the earmuff idea, as a kid I would shoot without ear protection and not think about it. As I've gotten older, I am more of a wuss, even in the woods



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    Probably the same reason I don't shoot .38s in my .357s, or .44Spec in my .44Mags . I can load .357 brass down to .38 special power, ditto with .44Mag. Eliminate the carbon ring headache too..... Just a personal preference! I seem to recall, in the Freedom Arm revolvers, the company even discourages shooting .45 Colt in their .454 revolvers....

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    Yep. I couldn't image what problems you could run into when loading low pressure loads. In .357 you can use regular small pistol primers at magnum pressures, so why not? Of course, full house .454 is twice the pressure, which is where the rifle primer comes into play. 1000fps under a 270g bullet is plenty fun and useful for the lower 48 states. Not a 'puff' (600-700fps) load by no means.

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