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Re: Constitutional carry [Re: Bigbob_FTW] #1398895005/07/2111:30 AM

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Ugh. 7 pages. Can someone summarize?



if it passes everyone will die.


I guess the last one standing dies of suicide. never did get that people think a gun kills people. guns don't kill, people shoot guns and kill people

Re: Constitutional carry [Re: Tsunami_1] #1398897405/07/2111:52 AM
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Seeing the direction these posts are going I sure hope this law doesn't pass till some of you settle down a bit. If not it's going to be a bloody mess around here.



Was it a bloody mess in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, or Wyoming?


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I should be more excited about this than I am . It almost seems to be more about optics than anything. People who want to carry already do, the ones who didn’t before now, for the most part still won’t. Some newbies will start for about two weeks until they see what a pain in the [censored] it really is and will stop doing it. The unintended consequence is every car that is broken into will now have a gun stolen from it.


Not a good reason to trample on the constitution, IMO.



How am I trampling on the constitution? All I said is the new people walking around with a gun will suddenly figure out what a pain it is and they will end up leaving them in the car to get stolen.

I was just referring to the unintended consequence excuse. You didn't. flag

Re: Constitutional carry [Re: drift4fish] #1398898105/07/2111:57 AM
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You don't have to tell a cop you are carrying if you are pulled over, even if you have your CCW. If you do tell him/her that you have a firearm in the vehicle they do have the right to confiscate it for the duration of the stop. In Colorado there is no law that says you have to offer up your CCW either but they will
know once they run your plates, which is probably before they even approach the vehicle. I have only been pulled over once in the last 5 years and he had
me at 15 over. I handed him my CCW and said "this is in respect of you". I'll be damned if he didn't give me a warning and let me go. Nice and respectful goes
a long way.



Yes, in Texas you do. The moment that the officer asks to see your identification during that traffic stop, you have to also provide your LTC if you are armed. I don't know what the rules are in Colorado.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.411.htm#411.205

Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.17(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.

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Re: Constitutional carry [Re: chickenman] #1398898405/07/2111:59 AM
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Seeing the direction these posts are going I sure hope this law doesn't pass till some of you settle down a bit. If not it's going to be a bloody mess around here.



Was it a bloody mess in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, or Wyoming?


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Do we have to attack donothin just because he has like a different viewpoint?


Where are these attacks located?

There is nothing, nothing at all, about constitutional carry that will negatively impact his life, freedoms, or liberties yet he was sure to inform everyone that our support of a constitutional right is "stupid is as stupid does".

So where is the attack again?


Agreed his argument is a poor one. So he is against it. That's all I took away from his side of this debate. No facts, no references, nothing persuasive. He feels its "stupid". Not much to that.

The response, or counter point. Is just as weak if not weaker as it does not even state a position just uses incendiary comments and remarks. Its just sh** talking basically.

I would like to see people actually take a stance on an issue and speak to why they feel that way. Versus "this is stupid", "well you're an idiot and liar". Calling names is an attack its not an exchange of ideas.

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Do we have to attack donothin just because he has like a different viewpoint?


Where are these attacks located?

There is nothing, nothing at all, about constitutional carry that will negatively impact his life, freedoms, or liberties yet he was sure to inform everyone that our support of a constitutional right is "stupid is as stupid does".

So where is the attack again?


Agreed his argument is a poor one. So he is against it. That's all I took away from his side of this debate. No facts, no references, nothing persuasive. He feels its "stupid". Not much to that.

The response, or counter point. Is just as weak if not weaker as it does not even state a position just uses incendiary comments and remarks. Its just sh** talking basically.

I would like to see people actually take a stance on an issue and speak to why they feel that way. Versus "this is stupid", "well you're an idiot and liar". Calling names is an attack its not an exchange of ideas.


no one is looking to exchange ideas with that idiot.


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Do we have to attack donothin just because he has like a different viewpoint?


Where are these attacks located?

There is nothing, nothing at all, about constitutional carry that will negatively impact his life, freedoms, or liberties yet he was sure to inform everyone that our support of a constitutional right is "stupid is as stupid does".

So where is the attack again?


Agreed his argument is a poor one. So he is against it. That's all I took away from his side of this debate. No facts, no references, nothing persuasive. He feels its "stupid". Not much to that.

The response, or counter point. Is just as weak if not weaker as it does not even state a position just uses incendiary comments and remarks. Its just sh** talking basically.

I would like to see people actually take a stance on an issue and speak to why they feel that way. Versus "this is stupid", "well you're an idiot and liar". Calling names is an attack its not an exchange of ideas.


no one is looking to exchange ideas with that idiot.


Ok. That was funny. cheers

Re: Constitutional carry [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #1398899705/07/2112:09 PM
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I would like to see people actually take a stance on an issue and speak to why they feel that way.



Well, thats pretty much what was going on....with exception of a few comments.

Its just sh** talking basically.



Thats a large % of what goes on in the OT regardless of the topic.

Regardless of your position, I hope each and every one one of you have the very best day of your life....because when this bill passes, it will be a bloody mess in the streets so I am told.


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You don't have to tell a cop you are carrying if you are pulled over, even if you have your CCW. If you do tell him/her that you have a firearm in the vehicle they do have the right to confiscate it for the duration of the stop. In Colorado there is no law that says you have to offer up your CCW either but they will
know once they run your plates, which is probably before they even approach the vehicle. I have only been pulled over once in the last 5 years and he had
me at 15 over. I handed him my CCW and said "this is in respect of you". I'll be damned if he didn't give me a warning and let me go. Nice and respectful goes
a long way.



Yes, in Texas you do. The moment that the officer asks to see your identification during that traffic stop, you have to also provide your LTC if you are armed. I don't know what the rules are in Colorado.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.411.htm#411.205

Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.17(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.

Amended by:

Acts 2009, 81st Leg., R.S., Ch. 1146 (H.B. 2730), Sec. 12A.02, eff. September 1, 2009.


I'm certainly not wanting to argue with anyone here, my point was, as soon as you tell the LE that you are carrying, he/she can disarm you for
the duration of the stop. The law you just quoted specifically says, "

If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

. What if you have your LTC but you are not carrying? Do you still have to show the LE the DOC? Seems to me, as soon as you present the LTC you are
saying that you have a firearm on you. If LE asks me if I have a firearm in my vehicle, I'm telling them I have no duty to tell them either way. I don't know the
laws in other states and can only speak of Colorado and the 4th amendment. As a law abiding citizen, I have very little interaction with the PoPo.


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Another point and I can only speak of my state but your vehicle falls under the castle doctrine. You do not need a CCW/ LTC to have
a firearm in your glove box of a vehicle or anywhere in that vehicle. It it were on your person and you got out of the vehicle and it was
concealed you would need a permit,

I remember an incident in Texas when open carry was against the law. A guy gets pulled over and the driver is out of the truck. The cop
asks him for something so he reaches into the truck and as he was bending and reaching, his jacket rode up and exposed his concealed
carry. The cop arrested/cited him for open carry.



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Re: Constitutional carry [Re: drift4fish] #1398902305/07/2112:34 PM

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You don't have to tell a cop you are carrying if you are pulled over, even if you have your CCW. If you do tell him/her that you have a firearm in the vehicle they do have the right to confiscate it for the duration of the stop. In Colorado there is no law that says you have to offer up your CCW either but they will
know once they run your plates, which is probably before they even approach the vehicle. I have only been pulled over once in the last 5 years and he had
me at 15 over. I handed him my CCW and said "this is in respect of you". I'll be damned if he didn't give me a warning and let me go. Nice and respectful goes
a long way.



Yes, in Texas you do. The moment that the officer asks to see your identification during that traffic stop, you have to also provide your LTC if you are armed. I don't know what the rules are in Colorado.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.411.htm#411.205

Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.17(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.

Amended by:

Acts 2009, 81st Leg., R.S., Ch. 1146 (H.B. 2730), Sec. 12A.02, eff. September 1, 2009.


I'm certainly not wanting to argue with anyone here, my point was, as soon as you tell the LE that you are carrying, he/she can disarm you for
the duration of the stop. The law you just quoted specifically says, "

If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

. What if you have your LTC but you are not carrying? Do you still have to show the LE the DOC? Seems to me, as soon as you present the LTC you are
saying that you have a firearm on you. If LE asks me if I have a firearm in my vehicle, I'm telling them I have no duty to tell them either way. I don't know the
laws in other states and can only speak of Colorado and the 4th amendment. As a law abiding citizen, I have very little interaction with the PoPo.


legal heat is a great app to tell you about laws in each state

Re: Constitutional carry [Re: drift4fish] #1398903005/07/2112:45 PM
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You don't have to tell a cop you are carrying if you are pulled over, even if you have your CCW. If you do tell him/her that you have a firearm in the vehicle they do have the right to confiscate it for the duration of the stop. In Colorado there is no law that says you have to offer up your CCW either but they will
know once they run your plates, which is probably before they even approach the vehicle. I have only been pulled over once in the last 5 years and he had
me at 15 over. I handed him my CCW and said "this is in respect of you". I'll be damned if he didn't give me a warning and let me go. Nice and respectful goes
a long way.



Yes, in Texas you do. The moment that the officer asks to see your identification during that traffic stop, you have to also provide your LTC if you are armed. I don't know what the rules are in Colorado.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.411.htm#411.205

Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.17(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.

Amended by:

Acts 2009, 81st Leg., R.S., Ch. 1146 (H.B. 2730), Sec. 12A.02, eff. September 1, 2009.


I'm certainly not wanting to argue with anyone here, my point was, as soon as you tell the LE that you are carrying, he/she can disarm you for
the duration of the stop. The law you just quoted specifically says, "

If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

. What if you have your LTC but you are not carrying? Do you still have to show the LE the DOC? Seems to me, as soon as you present the LTC you are
saying that you have a firearm on you. If LE asks me if I have a firearm in my vehicle, I'm telling them I have no duty to tell them either way. I don't know the
laws in other states and can only speak of Colorado and the 4th amendment. As a law abiding citizen, I have very little interaction with the PoPo.



if carrying in Okieland you would go to jail if you failed to inform, cops discretion but they don't play with that one.
the only time I have been pulled over while carrying was on 82 in whitesboro, I had both hands on the wheel, wallet in lap, window down and first words out of my mouth were "sir, I have a carry weapon on me, what would you like me to do". had it in small of back and it stayed there all thru the stop, due to my stupidity in a school zone (I missed a new sign, 55 in a 35. had the cdl still and that constituted felony speeding, he reminded me as well) all went well and I got a warning and sent on my way.

when I lived up there (20 yrs.) it was constitutional carry for open carry, concealed needed a license, when I was guiding I regularly had a pistol on when in durango or pagosa, no one gave a rats behind. now, no way would I push my luck with what the kalifornicators have done to the state.


footnote: one of the anti gun people up there would probably shoot me for open carrying a pistol. just sayin. grin

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Seeing the direction these posts are going I sure hope this law doesn't pass till some of you settle down a bit. If not it's going to be a bloody mess around here.



Was it a bloody mess in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, or Wyoming?

Just need Texas and Florida on that list. For freedom to continue to ring it has to include these, especially Texas.


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Texas Gun Owners Worry That Open Carry Is Backfiring

As January 1 approached, the day Texas’s new open carry law took effect, it seemed gun rights advocates were poised to savor a big victory. The legislation, coupled with a measure allowing guns on college campuses, was the result of a hard fought and widely publicized battle in the state capitol that culminated with Texas becoming the 15th state to allow the open carry of handguns with proper licensing.

But within just 11 days, the attitudes on display on a popular message board suggest that some Lone Star State open carriers worry that the push to expand their rights may have done more harm than good.

In a post on TexasCHLForum.com, a popular gun rights website moderated by National Rifle Association board member Charles L. Cotton, one user reported that the new law has triggered private business owners to not only exercise their right to bar open carry on their premises, but prohibit concealed handguns as well. Any private business in Texas that wishes to bar firearms must display a strictly regulated sign — dubbed “30.07” for openly carried guns, and “30.06” for concealed firearms. Amid the controversy over open carry, this gun owner was noticing more of both varieties.

“Got an email from work telling us that not only are 30.07 signs going up over the weekend on our office building but 30.06 as well. What makes this even more frustrating is I have yet to see a single open carry,” wrote a user with the handle LTUME1978, before predicting ina subsequent comment that, at least in Houston, “Once the signs are up, they are not ever going to come down.”

That original post generated more than 100 replies, and numerous theories. Some Texas CHL users speculated that the increase in notices barring concealed weapons may be due to a revision to the existing 30.06 sign that was ushered in by the new open carry legislation. Older 30.06 signage was rendered obsolete by the change — and signage is something that Texas gun rights advocates actively police.

“Just as easy to have both 30.06 and 30.07 signs made at the same time,” a user named Distinguished Rick replied. “We have lost more than we gained,” he added. “I have had my CHL 20 years this year and I hardly ran into any legal signs back then. This has woken up the anti-crowd in a big way. So now the genie is out of the bottle and I don’t see a way to put it back.”

A user with the handle bmwrdr echoed his concerns: “Before the OC [open carry] movement started everything went smooth, now we see more and more 30.06 signs erected.”

Another user, posting as flowrie, theorized that the backlash generated by the open carry movement, which was itself driven by the gun rights group Open Carry Texas (OCT), was so spectacular that it may as well have been an opposition plot. “OCT has hurt much more than helped. I insist on carrying when taking my young son and wife to the movies, but that is now becoming more difficult. I do not really oppose OC, but the way they went about it was unwise and just down right ignorant. I too wonder if some of them are anti-2A [Second Amendment]. If I were anti-2A, that’s how I would do it.”

In response to a poster who accused naysayers of having “no appreciation for this restored freedom,” a poster known as android offered this scathing rebuke:

“We were free to carry concealed at far more places before than now. You have the exact same ability to be safe carrying concealed as openly. Except that now you can’t do either in many places. So you’re not safer at all. Open carry is not a right. It’s a dress code and comfort issue. You were already freely bearing arms before 1 Jan. You’ve given up safety for comfort and lost and freedom [sic] for all of us.”

“The immature, selfish actions and the loud, belligerent mouths of a few have hurt many,” Oldgringo concluded. “It’s true, all that glitters is not gold.”

Others had a more measured responses. “I would LOVE to OC everywhere I go,” Lynyrd wrote. “The fact is, it makes some people uncomfortable. Time may change that, but it will take years.” He cautioned his fellow gun owners to remember that “most all of the places we go outside our homes is still PRIVATE PROPERTY.” (Business owners can verbally notify open-carrying customers that they are not welcome in their establishments, regardless of whether a sign is posted or not.)

Weighing in again, the original poster, LTUME1978, felt that for Texas’s concealed carriers, the damage had been done. “The lid is off this can of worms and it will never go back,” reads a later post in the thread. “I hope the right to walk around looking like Wyatt Earp is worth it to the open carry folks because a lot of us are loosing our right to concealed carry and it may cost some of us our lives for your privilege to play cowboy.”

Last week, Charles Cotton, the NRA board member who moderates Texas CHL, weighed in on the public’s reaction to the new open carry law. “I truly wish that open-carry supporters would admit that they were wrong and that there is a problem,” he wrote in response to a post entitled “I now regret that OC passed.” “However, I won’t hold my breath. If I cannot carry my self-defense handgun into a store because they put up 30.06 and 30.07 signs, then someone’s ability to show their handgun to everyone will have cost me the ability to defend myself.”

The NRA came out against the open carrying of firearms in June 2014, calling the practice “downright weird” and impractical in a blog post it quickly retracted.

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I'd like to get some input as to what are the pros and cons of getting a CHL. I can't really think of any cons (other than fees). I carry mine in the truck, but have little interest in carrying it around the grocery store/ etc.


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In my not-so-humble opinion, carrying a weapon in your truck is absolutely the worst place to carry it. Everybody that has had a vehicle stolen or burglarized, raise your hand. See? It's going to be an intense situation if someone steals it off your person.

Maybe these are CONS, maybe not. When you're carrying, you better not be drinking. You have to act like a civil adult. If you smart off to someone and incite an argumewnt while you're carrying, you better hope the Law doesn't respond.



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I like to be legal too, but carrying it in a vehicle is not illegal. Come on Brandon, I know alot say "Get it!", but why? Tell me why you decided to get your license. Primitive, yeah I've thought about the breaking into my truck senerio... Don't really have a response to that, but I do it anyways... As for the drinking, I don't feel the need, or want, to walk around with my pistol. Let alone do it while/ after drinking. Are you legally bound to show your CHL when pulled over? Unless that officer ask me if I have a weapon in the truck, I don't feel the need to volunteer that info to anyone.

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if you have one alchoholic beverage while carrying you become a felon, and felons can never own a gun or get a hunting license.
That was the deal breaker for me.
Whats classified as carrying and what is not, is being at deer camp carrying ? what if a i have a few beers at deer camp, am I carrying and now a felon ?
Instructor couldnt answer that one for me.
Mucho petho. I'll just carry as I see fit.
Id rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6


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One drink while carrying does not make you a felon, but the law is unclear as to what "impaired" means. There is no legal limit such as there is when driving. With that said, if you carry without a license, you are a felon for sure.

I have my CHL and have had it since it first became legal. I am adament about carrying everywhere I legally can now. Too much craziness in this world now. Everytime you turn on the news something crazy has happened that a CHL could have prevented or mitigated. I couldn't live with myself if something happened to my family because I wasn't as prepared as I could legally be.



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Pros - ability to defend yourself and family; being able to avoid a potential delay on firearm purchases.

Cons - the annoyances of having to leave the weapon behind when going into prohibited places; having to buy ammunition, new firearms, new holsters...

Regarding drinking (alcohol) - sure, if you are carrying a weapon and have a CHL - your level of social responsibility is adjusted upward. One drink is probably not going to get you in a legal jam (putting aside the impaired issue for the moment) - however, suppose after one drink (or more), the SHTF and you had to use force/deadly force -- be prepared to ripped to shreds in criminal or civil (possibly both) courts. If you are a regular drinker, even if at home, maybe mixing guns and alcohol is just not the best plan.

Regarding having a CHL and government - just MHO - but I really do not believe this government will suddenly swoop down on firearms owners and confiscate our weapons.



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You're on the "books" if you have ever bought a gun retail or odds are even bought a hunting license ever. I wouldn't let that worry me.

Having said that there aren't any cons outside the price that I can think of. It makes future gun purchases really seemless and you don't have to ever worry if you have a handgun on you or are in a position where you would like to carry it on your person.



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if you have one alchoholic beverage while carrying you become a felon, and felons can never own a gun or get a hunting license.
That was the deal breaker for me.
Whats classified as carrying and what is not, is being at deer camp carrying ? what if a i have a few beers at deer camp, am I carrying and now a felon ?
Instructor couldnt answer that one for me.
Mucho petho. I'll just carry as I see fit.
Id rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6



If at deer camp, just carry open carry. No law against open carry on private property while drinking.


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And felons can get a hunting license. They are allowed to bow hunt or hunt with a cross bow.

Being a felon does not take away your right to hunt.


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to hunting coach i was told that a felon was legal to hunt in texas with a muzzleloading gun is that true or would u know any info would be helpful i have a brother in law who had a drinking problem as a young man he is now 50 years old and has not drank in years but got felony dwi's as a youth. and is looking to see all the ways he can hunt he now uses bow and crossbow only thanks for ur time



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I carry mine in the truck, but have little interest in carrying it around the grocery store/ etc.



Is it going to take someone holding you up or shooting you and then going to town on your wife/daughter/gf to make you understand why you need one in say a city street or parking lot?

Kinda hard to think about that huh?


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LOL you would crap your pants if you ever saw what information is braught up as options when you purchase hunting license, or if your license plate is run what police see, Trust me your in the books already the only thing they do differant with CHL is fully vet all the information given.


I don't feel the need, or want, to walk around with my pistol. Let alone do it while/ after drinking.

Then why carry in your car ? I ask because the Castle Law that your referancing to carry in your vehicle is very gray, because the second you step out of your vehicle with your weapon your on a public roadway, further more if your in your vehicle that is mobile what caused such a threat to your personal safety that you had to exit it and shoot somebody verses driving away ? These are questions that will be asked after a shooting and you better have some good answers to them because the castle law is not a law that allows you to shoot at anybody who you want its a defense to prosicution while defending yourself.


Are you legally bound to show your CHL when pulled over? Unless that officer ask me if I have a weapon in the truck, I don't feel the need to volunteer that info to anyone.

Only when the gun is in your car, Likewise if you are carrying a gun in your vehicle you need to make the officer aware as soon as possible on a traffic stop, reason being if you dont and you open your center console and they see it there will be a few tense seconds, depend on what happens in those few seconds you might be alive and you might not after there up. For istnace Yeah let me hand you my insurence officer, and you open a console they see a gun while your reaching in that direction how do you think they will respond ? You may not feel the need to volunteer information, but it might be information that saves you alot of trouble.

Keep 'em coming gentlemen!


All this being said, the class in itself is very informitive to laws reguarding use of force and carrying, it also opens your eyes as to how quickly a few bad apples can ruin a good program.

The best is you dont have to worry about backround checks anymore, it has gotten me out of several tickets after chatting with the officer they relise im a good guy and cut me some slack, I can carry almost anywhere i want to which give me piece of mind in a cruel world.

Only con I experianced was price




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Devildog, good point, and very difficult to think about.
Psycho, I carry in my truck in case someone decides to show nuts and point a pistol at me filling up at the gas station. In case some wack job flies into a road rage episode and doesn't see the need to keep going, but follows me as I attempt to flee. As for your console theory, I don't believe it has to be in your glove compartment/ center console. It has to be concealed. Insurance card is in the console, pistil is elsewhere. If the officer doesn't ask, he doesn't need to know. Just opening yourself to potential problems, IMO. There's not a whole lot of police that shoot just because they see a pistol. You'd have to have your pistol IN your hand, or show some form of aggresive movement towards your pistol for any (properly trained) officer to justify the use of deadly force. I do think the class will help inform me of the laws involved, that would be a great benefit. The FD shield and EGA sticker have rescued me from several tickets, too.
Thanks for yall's responses.


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Psycho, I carry in my truck in case someone decides to show nuts and point a pistol at me filling up at the gas station. In case some wack job flies into a road rage episode and doesn't see the need to keep going, but follows me as I attempt to flee.

Thats a very valid reason, I was trying to open up thinking as to what can come afterwards as far as questions you will be asked The best thing if your going to carry in your vehicle is to read on up on the CHL as just use what applys


As for your console theory, I don't believe it has to be in your glove compartment/ center console. It has to be concealed. Insurance card is in the console, pistil is elsewhere.

your right it can be anywhere in the vehicle, once again just stuff to think (looks like you already have) I can't tell you how many people keep things that they would need beside there handgun like insurence registration so forth. Just simple mistake like that can lead to some tence moments I know because I had personally witness that scenerio play out on a traffice stop during my ride along.



If the officer doesn't ask, he doesn't need to know. Just opening yourself to potential problems, IMO.

Call DPS and ask for there stance on this, as long as you know the law your not opening yourself to anything by making an officer aware that you have a weapon in your vehicle during a traffice stop. You will be worse of not telling and something leads to them finding out because then they will want to know what else might or might not be in your vehicle. Just some food for thaught Im not telling you what to do by any means just trying to envoke differant points of view.


There's not a whole lot of police that shoot just because they see a pistol. You'd have to have your pistol IN your hand, or show some form of aggresive movement towards your pistol for any (properly trained) officer to justify the use of deadly force.


If an officer sees a gun in a traffice stop I assure you it will not be smiles and hugs, further more something as inocent as reach for something near it can lead to bad things. Ive seen people be put at gunpoint for reaching for myriad of things during a traffic stops. Just think of how many accidental OIS there are where poeple are shot alot of things can happen depending on situation. Its better to let them know ahead of time as it makes you look honest to where if they find out at the tail end of the stop you have a gun it will make you look suspect and that your trying to hide something. If your not going to make them aware, continue like you do dont keep the pistol where it can accidently be seen during a trafice stop or where the officer will come into contact with it.


I do think the class will help inform me of the laws involved, that would be a great benefit. The FD shield and EGA sticker have rescued me from several tickets, too.
Thanks for yall's responses.

I tell you that aspect alone of the class was worth it to me, ask around the board for people in your area as to whom taught and if they liked it because a good instructer will make it go alot smoother plus teach you everything you will need to know, where assome will just make it boring and a pain. To me there is only 1 con the cost everything else is all pros. Well good luck whatever your decision is. Once agian hope there is no ill fealings just trying to get you too look from a differant view point.


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Come on! You don't think they know we own guns already! All they have to do is take the records from local gun shops, credit card records, optics dealers, this website, and even the NRA database. If they want your guns, they will come for them. If they come for me, I'll be in a pile of bloody brass. Ever since I did my time in Iraq and as a cop in New Jersey as a Navy Master at Arms, I will never give up my firearms for no reason. IMO, they will never take our guns from us, especially in this state, unless they want a revolt.


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to hunting coach i was told that a felon was legal to hunt in texas with a muzzleloading gun is that true or would u know any info would be helpful i have a brother in law who had a drinking problem as a young man he is now 50 years old and has not drank in years but got felony dwi's as a youth. and is looking to see all the ways he can hunt he now uses bow and crossbow only thanks for ur time


You know he can get a judge to reverse that, it might cost some money for a lawyer but it can be done.


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One drink while carrying does not make you a felon, but the law is unclear as to what "impaired" means. There is no legal limit such as there is when driving. With that said, if you carry without a license, you are a felon for sure.



Gumbeaux your point is still the same, don't carry without a license, but the facts are in error.

According to the Texas Penal Code...

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:...

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

The ONLY reason I know this is because I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. smile



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