tessar wrote:When the SC Gen2 was released in 2014, they basically said it's an incremental update that mostly improves mechanical aspects (the Gen 2 brakesand bars are far easier to live with) and some small aero tweaks. The first-gen SC is still a very competitive frame, and Trek basically said they won't bother releasing a Gen 3 unless they manage to make it worth their while.
So far, with the P5 and the SC still at the top of the double-diamond heap and the P5X only marginally faster, it wouldn't surprise me to hear this. As that article was titled, "The age of Peak Aero" indeed.
This is the the 3rd or 4th time I've seen someone mention the brakes between gen 1 and 2 within the last week. I have had both gen bikes. The front brake is no different between the two bikes and the rear brakes are basically the same as well except that gen 2 added the centering adjustments (which was awesome). I'm just saying the brakes between the two bikes aren't all that different..... there was really only one change which I happen to love.
Yes the basebar on gen 2 is a lot better with the 3 bolts.
IMO, gen 2 SC was really all about making it easier to work on, travel with, easily (relative to gen 1) make fit adjustments, and hydration/nutrition/flat kit storage. It just happened to be faster as well (but not by much).
2018 Trek Speed Concept - Project One
Category: Road Bikes
Frame Size: M
Wheel Size: 700C
Material: Carbon Fiber
Original Post Date: May-31-2020 12:25:46
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Trek Project One, custom paint, Di2 and includes all’s spacers to adjust TT bar height.
Frame is $4,000 https://www.trekbikes.com/ca/en_CA/bikes/road-bikes/triathlon-bikes/speed-concept/speed-concept-frameset/p/22055/?colorCode=black
Di2 is a $2,000 upgrade
It's right for you if...
You're out to win, and you're looking for the aero advantage other triathlon bikes simply can't provide. You understand fit is a crucial part of going fast, and you want a bike that's infinitely customizable to your perfect aero position.
Shimano Ultegra Di2 with shifting in aero and on the hoods.
172.5 cranks 53/39
Ultegra cassett is 11/28
Also have integrated storage box for the bike, not pictured.
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Trek Speed Concept 2.5
The Speed Concept 2.5 is Trek's entry-level triathlon/time trial bike. The frame has the Kammtail Virtual Foil aero design employed by the more expensive bikes like the 9.9 that Mat reviewed, only here it's aluminium. The wheelset and gears, however, look like they've been borrowed from a sportive bike, and the tri bars are too high relative to the saddle.
This bike is aimed at triathletes on a budget. Fair warning: I am a time triallist. The bike requirements are the same, apart from the fact that triathletes want to be able to run when they get off, whereas time triallists want to be so spent they can barely walk. 'Budget' I get: my race bike has roughly the same replacement value as this, and I used to race on a modified Genesis Flyer.
For the Speed Concept 2.5, budget means an aluminium frame, albeit hydroformed into just the shape Trek want: that Kammtail Virtual Foil. It's essentially a long aero section with the back end chopped off. The intention is to maximise the frontal aero benefits while minimising any problems from side winds.
My vernier callipers give the following tube measurements at the thickest points: down tube 81.5 x 30mm; seat tube 80 x 32.5mm; seatpost 69 x 20mm. Trek say it's the most aerodynamic shape ever designed for a bicycle, and it certainly looks the business. Fellow racers appraised it keenly.
However, the aerodynamics of the frame itself isn't a huge deal in terms of the seconds it will save. The most important thing is the aerodynamics of you, the rider: your position, your skin-tight gear, and your pointy hat. After that you want deep section (or rear disc) wheels with the fastest-rolling tyres you can finish your race on. A faster frame is incrementally helpful but it's not a substitute for these other factors – as I found out when I raced it.
Frame, fork & fit
Two things are striking about the frame, apart from the tube profiles. Thing one is the attention that's been paid to aero details. The cables run internally. The rear brake is mounted out of the way underneath the chainstays. The junction between the head tube and the carbon fork (aluminium steerer) is neatly filled in.
Thing two is the steep seat tube angle, a feature common on aero bikes these days but which was largely introduced by triathletes. I measured it at 78.5 degrees. The effective seat tube angle will depend where exactly you clamp the saddle rails and whether you set the clamp facing forward or backward on top of the post; layback is plus/minus 10mm. Whatever you do, the angle will be somewhere between very steep and very, very steep.
The benefit of this for time trialling (and presumably triathlon) is that you can get forward over the bottom bracket. This opens up your hip angle: for a given torso angle, you end up bending less acutely at the waist than you would if you were sitting further back. If feels less squashed and it's good for putting the power down when you're on the tri bars.
If you're sitting further forward, you want the armrests a bit further forward too. (Note that CTT regulations state that the back of your elbow can't be more than 3cm in front of a line drawn through the centre of the head tube, so there's a limit to how far forward you can go.) On the Speed Concept 2.5, the armrests aren't further forward.
Reach is unusually short on this bike. The effective top tube length is only 52cm, which is small for a Medium sized bike. It's that short not because Trek have scrimped on the front centre distance – they haven't; there's enough room between the front hub and the bottom bracket to avoid toe overlap, a nice bonus on a race bike – but because the steeper seat tube eats into the top tube length. The cables that bulk up behind the stem are close enough to catch your knees on if you get out of the saddle.
A longer stem would maintain the saddle-to-handlebar distance. This one is 8cm, and just sitting on the bike in a TT position, I felt cramped. I wanted a stem about 12cm long, maybe longer. That's not an expensive or difficult upgrade, admittedly. The alternative, even though I am only average sized, would be to go up a size to the Large. The knock-on effect of that would be to raise the handlebar by another 2.5cm, since the Large bike's head tube is that much taller. A higher bar is the last thing I'd want; even a glance showed that there wasn't much drop from the saddle to the armrests.
The tape measure confirmed this. With the stem at its lowest point on the steerer, the relative position of the armrests on the Trek was more than 6cm higher than those on my own bike. (That has a dropped stem, true, but I could get the same bar position on my bike with a flat stem; the dropped stem gives scope to go another 2-3cm lower than shown.) The reason for the Trek's high bars relative to the saddle is a combination of a few things, the smallest of which is crank length. (I race on 165mm cranks.)
The two big differences are the tri bar arrangement and the bottom bracket height. The Trek's armrests fit on top of the tri bar extensions, which themselves sit on top of the base bar. While you can turn the tri bar brackets upside down to run the extensions underneath the base bar, the armrests then won't fit properly because the base bar is in the way. If this were my bike, I would immediately ditch these Bontrager tri bars and fit some with lower armrests. Easton Aeroforce bars would do it – they're about £90 – and there are plenty of others.
The bottom bracket height is something you can't change. It's deliberately low. Trek have made it low 'for stability', they say. On corners, they may have a point; in a straight line, like what you do in time trials most of the time, I've not found that bottom bracket height makes a difference, even on the tri bars. The other effect of lowering the bottom bracket height is that it lowers the saddle height, and reduces the drop from saddle to handlebar, by the same amount. Result: you sit that much more upright.
There are a few unusual frame/fork features. The fork is 'SpeedTrap compatible', so you can fit a computer sensor without messing up the airflow around one of the fork legs. If you use a wheel magnet computer rather than GPS, this is a worthwhile extra. There are a couple of sets of bottle bosses, and what looks like a third set on top of the top tube, behind the stem. This is for a Speed Storage box – essentially an aerodynamic Tupperware box for snacks. I didn't have the opportunity to try this.
The Speed Concept's sophisticated frame and fork no doubt absorb quite a bit of the entry-level budget, so there isn't money left for fancy wheels. You get straightforward aluminium clincher rims with 23mm road tyres; the only nods towards speed are the spokes (24 per wheel rather than 32, and they're bladed) and the cool-looking aero quick releases.
Deep section carbon wheels aren't cheap, so it's understandable that they're absent on this entry-level bike. But you definitely want faster tyres. I'd fit Continental Grand Prix Supersonics with latex innertubes.
The groupset is Sram Apex with bar-end levers. Apart from the levers, it's Sram Apex as you would fit it to a sportive bike: 50-34 compact chainset and an 11-28 cassette. On a time trial or triathlon bike, this is a bizarre setup. A 34-tooth chainring is neither use nor ornament, and if you find yourself using it in a race, you may as well sit up and pedal gently back to the finish. The 11-28 cassette means that you have relatively wide steps between gears, potentially spoiling your racing cadence. A compact double and a wide cassette make sense on a road bike, which you might ride recreationally or race somewhere hilly. On an aero race bike like this, even if it's meant for novices, sportive gearing makes no sense at all.
The cranks are slightly longer than most average-sized bike riders would normally use, being 172.5 rather than 170. I can't say I noticed any difference when pedalling, but it does mean that the saddle will be slightly lower. And you'll have 5mm less room between your knee and your chest at the top of the pedal stroke – a consideration if you can adopt a very low tuck.
You don't use brakes much when time trialling, but these worked fine. The aero levers are a nice touch.
The acid test on a TT bike is: how fast do you go on it? Given that I was sitting more upright and felt a bit cramped, I thought I'd be slower. I was. Racing 10-mile TTs on courses that I know well, with the same kit, the same heart rate, and similar weather conditions, I was 45-60 seconds slower. That's measured against my own times in events just days apart, and more importantly against competitors who were present each time I was racing.
Some of this is down to wheels and tyres: my own bike has 50mm carbon rims and Schwalbe Ultremo TT tubulars. Some of it may be because of the gearing. Much of it, I'm sure, is down to the riding position. I couldn't get aero enough. It was marginally better when I slid the saddle right back to try to gain some breathing room.
Whether you'll run into this fitting problem is hard to say. It depends how tall you are, how much of your height is in your legs compared to your torso, and how low you want to go when you're on the tri bars. If you're taller, and particularly if you've got relatively long legs, you'll automatically get more drop from the saddle to the bars than I did.
For what it's worth, I'm average height (178cm), averagely proportioned (maybe a little longer in the torso), and not particularly flexible, due to some fused vertebrae in my lower back. If this review and Mat's of the 9.9 don't seem to chime, it's worth bearing a couple of things in mind: firstly, that the 9.9 is a much more expensive and much nicer bike; and secondly, that Mat is 12cm taller than me.
Despite what the blurb promised, I didn't find the Speed Concept 2.5 especially stable when riding on the tri bars. I'm used to having more bodyweight bearing down on the armrests, so the steering actually felt quite light and wandery.
The Trek Speed Concept 2.5 has a nice, aero frame, but everything else, including – for me - the riding position, is a bit of a let-down. It's not a bad bike but I wouldn't choose to race on it unless I could immediately spend another £200 on it. I'd get a longer, steeply dropped stem, different tri bars, and some faster tyres and tubes. (New wheels and gears would have to wait.) The other option would be to use that extra £200 to get a different bike: £1600 buys a carbon Planet X Stealth with 82/101mm carbon wheels and better gearing.
For racers taller than me, and for those who don't want as much drop between saddle and handlebar, the Speed Concept 2.5 could represent a good investment. There are things you'll want to upgrade – not least the weird sportive-style gearing and the non-aero wheels – but this chassis is worth hanging some upgrades on. Yes, it's aluminium rather than carbon, and that means a weight penalty, but for racing against the clock, aerodynamics is a bigger concern. Just make sure that you'll be aerodynamic enough when you're sitting on it before you go ahead and buy it.
An aero aluminium frame with a curious component selection and a riding position that's too sat up for flat-out TT speed
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road.cc test report
Make and model: Trek Speed Concept 2.5
State the frame and fork material and method of construction. List the components used to build up the bike.
Frame and fork: Trek 200 series Alpha Aluminium, Kammtail Virtual Foil shape, fittings for 2 x bottle and top tube 'Bento box'. Bontrager Race Lite E2 Speed Concept carbon forks, SpeedTrap compatible
Wheels: 23-622 Bontrager R1 Plus tyres, Bontrager 622x14 aluminium clincher rims, 24 bladed spokes (radial front, cross-two rear), unbranded aluminium hubs
Transmission: no pedals, Sram Apex chainset 172.5mm 50/34T, Truvativ GXP external bottom bracket, KMC X10 chain, Sram PG 1050 11-28T 10-speed cassette. Sram 500 TT bar end levers, Sram Apex derailleurs. 20-speed, 32-121 inches
Braking: Bontrager Race Lite aero levers, dual pivot front brake, Tektro Quartz chainstay-mounted rear brake
Steering and seating: 420x31.8mm Bontrager Race Bull Horn handlebar with Bontrager Race Lite clip-on aero bars, 80mm x 7� Bontrager Race Lite stem, FSA integrated headset (1in top, 1 1/8in bottom). Vision AeroMax Tri saddle, Bontrager Speed Concept Race X Lite seatpost.
Tell us what the bike is for, and who it's aimed at. What do the manufacturers say about it? How does that compare to your own feelings about the bike?
Trek say: This stellar aluminium tri series is perfect for the value-conscious triathlete looking for a stable, super-aero ride.
I say: it wasn't super aero when I was on it. Nor is the guy riding it in the picture on Trek's website.
Overall rating for frame and fork
Tell us about the build quality and finish of the frame and fork?
Well made, aero, and looks the business.
Tell us about the materials used in the frame and fork?
Aluminium frame, carbon fork (with aluminium steerer).
Tell us about the geometry of the frame and fork?
Very steep seat angle. Low bottom bracket. Good front centres distance. Sensible head angle - not too twitchy, although I needed more weight on the bars.
Here are the measurements I made of the bike:
Seat clamp centre to stem clamp centre (horizontal) 600mm
Effective top tube 520mm
Seat angle 78.5 degrees
Head angle 72.5 degrees
Fork offset 45mm
Overall wheel diameter (inc tyre) 676mm
Crank length 172.5mm
Seat tube length (centre to top) 550mm
BB to ground 264mm
Chainstay length 400mm
BB to front hub 595mm
Rear wheel hub spacing 130mm
Rim bead seat to chainstay brace 35mm
Tyre width 23mm
ISO wheelsize at bead seat 622mm
How was the bike in terms of height and reach? How did it compare to other bikes of the same stated size?
Reach is short. I'd expect a medium to have an effective top tube of 53-54cm. The stem is short too, which compounds this. Bar height feels high, relative to the saddle.
Was the bike comfortable to ride? Tell us how you felt about the ride quality.
No saddle problems. Armrests generously padded. So it was comfortable enough, just slow.
Did the bike feel stiff in the right places? Did any part of the bike feel too stiff or too flexible?
No noticeable flex.
How did the bike transfer power? Did it feel efficient?
Power transfer was fine but it didn't feel efficient, because I was bludgeoning through the wind with my upper body.
Was there any toe-clip overlap with the front wheel? If so, was it a problem?
No overlap. An unexpected bonus.
How would you describe the steering? Was it lively, neutral or unresponsive? Somewhat light when riding on the tri bars, due to lack of bodyweight on the bars, but not a problem.
Tell us some more about the handling. How did the bike feel overall? Did it do particular things well or badly?
It felt like a road bike with clip on TT bars due to the riding position. It didn't accelerate as quickly as my carbon TT bike, because it's heavier.
Which components had the most effect (good or bad) on the bike's comfort? would you recommend any changes?
I'd probably swap the saddle at some point. It's okay, but there are better ones available.
Which components had the most effect (good or bad) on the bike's efficiency? would you recommend any changes?
I'd swap tyres, tubes, stem and bars immediately, and wheels and gears when I could afford it.
Rate the bike for efficiency of power transfer:
Power transfer is good. It just didn't make the most efficient use of that power out on the road.
Rate the bike for acceleration:
Slow out of the blocks, but I'm used to a lightweight carbon fixed wheel bike.
Rate the bike for sprinting:
You don't really need to sprint on a TT bike, but when you are winding up the pace the bike's weight and gappy cassette are an issue.
Rate the bike for high speed stability:
Not applicable. Cruisers are losers in a TT.
Not applicable for TTing.
Rate the bike for flat cornering:
Rate the bike for cornering on descents:
Rate the bike for climbing:
It will get you up any hill you encouner, although not as punchily as I'd like.
Rate the drivetrain for performance:
A bizarre choice for a TT bike.
Rate the drivetrain for durability:
The 34T ring will last forever because you'll never use it!
Rate the drivetrain for weight:
Rate the drivetrain for value:
Not great, because you'd want to replace much of it.
Tell us some more about the drivetrain. Anything you particularly did or didn't like? Any components which didn't work well together?
This is a sportive groupset - on a TT bike.
Rate the wheels and tyres for performance:
Not affected by side winds.
Rate the wheels and tyres for durability:
Rate the wheels and tyres for weight:
Rate the wheels and tyres for comfort:
Rate the wheels and tyres for value:
They're a necessary economy.
Tell us some more about the wheels and tyres.Did they work well in the conditions you encountered? Would you change the wheels or tyres? If so, what for?
I would change the tyres for Continental Grand Prix Supersonics and the wheels for carbon clinchers - unless I could get a good deal on some carbon tubular wheels and tyres.
Rate the controls for performance:
Rate the controls for durability:
Rate the controls for weight:
Rate the controls for comfort:
Rate the controls for value:
Tell us some more about the controls. Any particularly good or bad components? How would the controls work for larger or smaller riders?
Nice brake levers.
Did you enjoy riding the bike? No.
Would you consider buying the bike? No.
Would you recommend the bike to a friend? Possibly, if they could get a decent aerodynamic fit on it and were prepared to spend money on upgrades.
Rate the bike overall for performance:
Rate the bike overall for value:
Anything further to say about the bike in conclusion?
The stopwatch doesn't lie. It didn't provide what I'm looking for in a TT bike. That's not to say it's bad as such, nor that it won't suit you better. I would suggest getting the frame and fork only and building it up with a shrewder choice of components, except that's only possible with the carbon version. Trek have done some clever stuff with the frame, but I can't help feeling that this budget version is too compromised as a complete bike.
Age: 42 Height: 1.78m Weight: 65kg
I usually ride: Ridgeback Solo World fixed wheel My best bike is: Planet X Pro Carbon Track (with front brake)
I've been riding for: Over 20 years I ride: Every day I would class myself as: Experienced
I regularly do the following types of riding: time trialling, cyclo cross, commuting, touring, club rides, sportives, general fitness riding, fixed/singlespeed, mtb,
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